Posts by Black Sheep

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Need advice: Witnessing to a JW at my door

by Faithful Witness in

i have been waiting for this moment, and it has finally come!

i was actually in the middle of typing in the other thread, about householders who caused you doubts, when a jw rang my doorbell.

my barking german shepherd didnt scare him away, but did knock all his books out of his hand and onto a wet porch, which i really felt bad about.

Black Sheep

I told him I'd been doing some research about TTATT, and that ...

Resist the temptation to show your hand.It is better to appear naive than to try and impress him with your repository of anti-JW 'propaganda'

Write your questions down by all means, but don't ask them. The only questions worth asking a JW are the ones you already know their rote answers for, and how to expose those answers as fraudulent. If you don't know what his answer should be, research it in their literature, or here, whatever, just don't ask him.

If his answer isn't in keeping with WT doctrine, don't ask us if he was correct until you have sent him off to get the evidence to back up his assertion. It doesn't matter if he is correct. He needs a few 'wins' to keep him coming back, but if he is wrong, he needs to do the research to prove it to himself far more than he needs your reasoning for why you don't believe him.

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Need advice: Witnessing to a JW at my door

by Faithful Witness in

i have been waiting for this moment, and it has finally come!

i was actually in the middle of typing in the other thread, about householders who caused you doubts, when a jw rang my doorbell.

my barking german shepherd didnt scare him away, but did knock all his books out of his hand and onto a wet porch, which i really felt bad about.

Black Sheep

A friend of mine told me that her brother, an athiest, kept two young JW men coming back for two years. He knew nothing about JW, or their doctrines, he just kept asking questions. Eventually they left the church.

My point is, it's not a quick process. Most JWs have been indoctrinated for their whole lives, so don't expect to see a result in a thirty minute conversation.

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For Anyone With the WT CD ROM

by breakfast of champions in

my curiosity is killing me, and i don't have access to a cd rom right now, so here's my question:.

how many "hits" does "144000" get in the magazines over the past 5 years or so?.

my prediction is that mention of "the 144000" has been decreasing steadily over the past few years, as they move towards phasing out a literal interpretation of this scripture.. thanks,.

Black Sheep

They are printing less, and smaller, mags, so you might get similar results for "and"

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Need advice: Witnessing to a JW at my door

by Faithful Witness in

i have been waiting for this moment, and it has finally come!

i was actually in the middle of typing in the other thread, about householders who caused you doubts, when a jw rang my doorbell.

my barking german shepherd didnt scare him away, but did knock all his books out of his hand and onto a wet porch, which i really felt bad about.

Black Sheep

If you really want to witness to them, don't do anything to frighten them off. They are not on your doorstep to listen to you, they are there to save your life by teaching you their religion and you need to let them think that they are doing that. You must be a prospective convert, not an opposer, a sheep, not a mythbuster.

You make too many statements for him to take issue with and some of those statements are just your subjective opinion and are debatable. e.g. "Oh! So you have been through this kind of upheaval before... I think this is going to be a historic time in your religion's history.". They don't see it that way at all. All through their history there have been changes, all high control groups do it. They are conditioned to it. If you are going to express an opinion, try to make it one that you already know they agree with.

Ask a question you know he will want to answer, then shut up and make him do the talking, the thinking, the research. If you have asked a good question he will use all manner of tactics to not answer it and you have to really be on the ball if you are not going to let him off the hook. You need him to want to give you a sensible answer to that question, to make impossible promises that he thinks he can keep, statements that he can't find literature he trusts that support them, etc..

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I need some assistance!

by Kool Jo in

i just found out that a co-worker of mine is a ex-jw....she's being pressured to go back to the khall...she says everytime she goes to visit her family, they're telling her how jehovah still loves her...blah blah blah...thankfully she has her own apartment!.

i do see how her upbringing in the cult has affected her...she's soft and overly kind, but she's a real sweetheart...the down side: people take advantage of her.. should i tell her that i too am a jw and understands what she's going through with her family or should i just tell her that "spirituality is a personal thing and don't feel guilted into doing something you don't want" ect....the thing is, she talks alot and if i tell her that i'm suppose to be a jw, then the entire workplace will know.... what should i do?

my only aim is to have her not feel guilted in going back...she said her family has been trying to get her back in, but she's resisting it...the other issue, her son stays with her jw sister (she didn't disclose why)...and my co-worker tells me that her son is becoming a "jw convert".. please i need some advice!.

Black Sheep

Don't tell her anything. Especially don't unload a whole bucket load of WT crap on her. Technique is much more important than the info you want to unleash.

She has to do the thinking and the talking, not you. The more you try and do it for her, the greater the chance that she will block you out and run back to the KH.

Ask her a simple question that you already know the WT hasn't given her a sensible answer for, then shut up except to keep her on topic and honest. Ask it in such a way that she will really want to answer it.

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What do witnesses say to you that it is a sign of great tribulation coming?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

when i was little, some older brother told me there will be a very important annoucement from bethel.

he said it might be start of the great tribulation.

i got so worried.

Black Sheep

Most of them are too embarrassed to bring up their worn out 'signs' in my presence

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CD or copied WT article when reverse-witnessing?

by NeverKnew in

so, a couple of weekends ago, i, a non-jw, went to my non-jw cousin's house and lo and behold, two witnesses showed up.

amongst the many random topics, the mediatorship of jesus came up.

i stated, "...now, in your faith, jesus is not your mediator, correct?

Black Sheep

Get them to take an entrenched position, then challenge them to provide you with the literature to back up that position. Try to do it in such a way that they feel obligated to do it. They think they have a life saving message and that they can save you from their killer god with that message if they put in the effort to convert you, so use that to get promises out of them and to get them to do the research.

If they don't come back, that doesn't mean you didn't make your point. There might be a very good reason why they didn't front up.

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2014 Theocratic Ministry School Workbook!

by Atlantis in

2014 theocratic ministry school workbook!

(158 pages).

.send space (click the link by the blue arrow.

Black Sheep

Ta

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CHRISTIANS: Are we meant to identify the last days?

by Zoos in

i've been reading articles from ronald e. frye's, the christian respondent.

he puts forward this understanding of mark 13, mathew 24 and luke 21:.

(1) the destruction of jerusalem is set forth in graphic detail.

Black Sheep

Sometimes the reason it is difficult to make sense of something is simply because it doesn't make sense. Ask yourself, if your mum wore a burka would you be asking this question, or is it only important to you because of an accident of birth?

The questions that my parents insisted needed answering needed to be analysed before attempting any answers. They never did that. They wasted decades of their lives chasing ever changing answers to questions that never needed to be asked, and provided no benefits to themselves, their family, and their converts, other than providing them with a dysfunctional social club of misfits.

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Did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts

by perfect1 in

recently on a saturday morning there was a knock on my door.

two ladies asked me if i was familiar with the jws.

i said: yes unfortunatley.

Black Sheep

A Lutheran sat my father down and trashed him on the immortal soul. My father couldn't care less, but I got the message.